LONDON – PARIS – AMSTERDAM SINGLES VACATION
April 26 – May 6, 2012 – Tulip Time
Public opinion on recent Netherlands marijuana ban?
I’ve been reading about the recently-enacted ban on drug tourism in the Netherlands (a new law is making it illegal to purchase marijuana without Dutch citizenship), and want to know a little more about it from someone living there. What is the social situation surrounding the ban, especially in major cities such as Amsterdam and Rotterdam? Do you think that most coffeeshop owners will furtively ignore the ban or rigorously enforce it? And do you think that the ban will go unchallenged in forthcoming sessions of parliament?
Ah, another one. There’s no ban. There’s, at this time, just some towns in the south that are experimenting and the start of the banning of tourists is due to start in september with the big cities last.
I don’t see much serious challenge in parliament but there’s a possibility that a judge may say it’s illegal on some technicality in which case it’s back to the drawing board and a year’s delay
Dopeheads and coffeeshop owners are pissed off. Most normal people either don’t care or are very glad to see the drugs tourists leave. You see, problem with many of the druggies is that they seem to “think” that since they can freely get their fix here then other normal rules do not apply. That starts with littering (which the young dutch potheads also do, always, you’re not a true pothead if you don’t litter it seems) and goes from there forms of behaviour that would quickly earn you jail time or an ASBO in any civilized country.
When is Holland going to ban selling marijuana to tourists?
I’m thinking about going to Amsterdam in April with my brother and his girlfriend and we like to have a smoke here and there and read that Holland are banning drug tourism but when.
There is no timeline laid out for it. GIven that fact I personally doubt that it will happen (with all the expected legal challenges and uproar) before April anyway
However that is just my take on it of course from reading/watching the news, and so no 100% guarantee of course
Will it have an effect on tourism? Yes doubtless it will but personally I don’t think that is a bad thing. If it elimates the core that come only to Amsterdam to smoke then it is not a massive waste to the economy. It is a shame for those people coming to Amsterdam to enjoy the city and want to have a smoke as part of their visit. Those are the people who lose out
On the up side it will hopefully encourage people to come to Amsterdam for the many other things it offers in terms of culture, history, architecture, cuisne, shopping, museums, atmosphere, tourist attractions, quaintnes of the city etc etc etc Having worked in another town in the Netherlands during the period that they abolished all coffeeshop to reduce drug tourism from Belgium – this is exactly what happened.
So guess that rules out the ” tourism will collapse” syndrome.
Amsterdam – New Law and Economy?
Hi, I’ve just heard about this crazy idea that Amsterdam is getting a smoking ban!?!?
First of all what does this entail and when does it come into play?
And second of all I’m going to go all political on you, what is this going to do to the Dutch economy and the wealth it gains from its tourism which are mostly due to it’s famous coffee shops?
That’s gotta be worth a star!
It’s not worth a star because it’s been a question that has been on here at least 3 times a month since the beginning of this year!
Ok, the smoking ban is already in effect actually (since 1990 already for public places) but it will be extended to cover catering establishments such as cafe’s restaurants & (yes) coffee shops from 01/Jul 2008, and by the way, it is not just for Amsterdam but laws here are made for the whole of the Netherlands – for locals & tourists!
What does it mean – well it means that you will no longer be able to smoking in an area either (a) shared by other people and (b) nor in an area where staff are working. It does not mean that the catering industry is going to implode overnight. It means that to allow smoking to take place inside, a seperate space must be made (e.g. With glass windows) away from staff & the general public.
Probably you already know that NL is not the first country to implement this (actually it is one of the last in Western Europe). In contrary to all the fuss created the actual effect on the economy was found to be non-existant or actually positive (e.g. More families with children started eating out due to the smoking ban)
I am sure that tourism will carry on irrespective….. Who knows, maybe we might get less binge-drinkers & stoners and more people that can once again enjoy Amsterdam and the rest of the Netherlands for the many things it has on offer apart from coffee shops & bars and that really would be “crazy” in a good sense.
EDIT – as I have in the past asked people to substantiate “facts” I did a quick check for the info I gave about the effects on business due to the smoking ban, and here’s good old Wikipedia confirming what I said http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_ban#Effects_on_businesses and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_ban#Economic_loss
Coffee Shops in Holland – Law Changing?
I understand that the new conservative government is pushing through a law to ban tourists from using the coffee shops there. What i’m wondering is; when will they be put into practise (The Amsterdam local government doesn’t seem too keen on getting rid of something that brings a lot of tourism so will that delay things?) & i also heard that some believe it is against EU Policy to discriminate. Any info would be great as i’m hoping to go over to Amsterdam next August.
Yes the rules are changing. Amsterdam is not yet banning weed, but the law has passed. In 2013 selling soft drugs will be tolerated in private clubs for the local market. So you can registrate only when you are a local. Soft drugs tourists do not spend much by the way. But it is not against EU rules it seems.
It is becoming quite a standard question. In The Netherlands the policy on cannabis was quite liberal with good results. The possession of soft drugs for your own use is tolerated (but not legal). In the US, the UK, France and Germany there are more people (per 1000) who use cannabis than in the Netherlands. So the best would be to convince in those countries that a liberal option is better for the health situation.
The atmosphere is becoming less liberal because of the drugs-tourism and the rise of organized crime. That is why the new rules are being implemented.Coffee-shops will become private clubs for the local market.
These measures will be introduced in addition to the conditions that were already in place. These provide that coffee-shops are prohibited from placing posters, selling hard drugs, causing nuisance, admitting persons below the age of 18 or selling to them and from selling or stocking large quantities. (So you have to prove you are 18+!) And when you smoke be sure not to cause nuisance.
The new policy is implemented in the south of The Netherlands first and by 2013 the rules will apply in the north too. An official link below.
Maybe this link from the UN commission on drugs is interesting: http://www.globalcommissionondrugs.org/Report It says
– End the criminalization, marginalization and stigmatization of people who use drugs but who do no harm to others.
– Challenge rather than reinforce common misconceptions about drug markets, drug use and drug dependence.
Instead of banning cannabis for tourists in Holland, would this idea work better?
At airports, hotels, and exchange bureaus in the Netherlands (mainly Amsterdam), allow tourists to purchase permit cards that allow tourists to enjoy a limited purchase of coffeeshop cannabis per day.
Each permit card would have a bar code indicating the passport number of the purchaser, making it only possible to have 1 card per tourist.
At each coffeeshop, a tourist would need to show their passport and the permit card. Upon purchasing cannabi, the permit card would magnetically keep track of amounts of cannabis purchased per day, and there would be a max-out limit.
The cost of administering and maintaining permit cards would be covered by charging fees to purchase a permit card plus a profit for Dutch tourism, shared by the hotels and airports and other venues.
This would in my opinion create a nice balance between monitoring the drug-related activities of tourists and not punishing responsible tourists. Would this be a good idea?
AND if a tourist does commit a drug-related crime or causes a disturbance, then allow Dutch authorities to Void/suspend any tourist’s cannabis permit card in the system.
My point is you can charge money for the permit card, so this a profit-making idea, is good for tourism, and ALSO keeps marijuana crime in check.
So this isn’t about crime reduction or safety so much as international portrayal of Dutch culture?
So it is Dutch people’s cultural standard of common decency or do you speak for the entire West or the world standard of common decency to be led by Netherlands?
No, it would not be a good idea since the whole idea of the card system is to get the drugs tourists to stay away.
No, it’s about us Dutch getting slowly fed up with dopeheads. Dopeheads in Amsterdam who think they can puke and be sick everywhere. Dopeheads in the south and east who think that, since dope is “legal” traffic rules or even common decency don’t apply any more.
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LONDON – PARIS – AMSTERDAM SINGLES VACATION
April 26 – May 6, 2012 – Tulip Time